that is, at times, this thing is difficult, right, and massive healthcare reform is difficult. that's why it hasn't happened in a generation. and so i think they've had to thread that needle, and obviously, having a problem with the site access was a huge issue. there is another piece to this that goes beyond that. which is over half a million americans are covered in some way. many through medicaid or lower income americans, right? and that was something that for a variety of washington reasons, was never sold that hard because they pitch at the middle class. the middle class is the political strike zone. i don't think democrats should be apologetic at all about the fact that so far, more people who need it the most have been covered. >> except for the fact that 5 million people got kicked off of their healthcare plan. they're at a net loss of 4.5 million. >> but susan, what we know is they made some adjustments around the question of sort of the willingness to extend, you know, some of those plans, which although people initially were saying, oh, i'm losing my health care, al